Good placement and a heavy bullet at a decent speed. Actually looking for 300 grain .411 hardcast. Even in the flawed study Efficacy of firearms for bear deterrence in Alaska the researchers only found 269 attacks in Alaska. But whenever he's in an area with a serious and credible grizzly threat, he likes his 12-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs. Hes in a medical field, Id really like to know if he noticed any hearing damage after 4-5 rounds of *big boom*. 44 mag ammo for bear can be a life-saving tool, but only if it is used correctly. No, Dean said he read someone elses reseach (greatwhitehunter), and he provided a link to read it.Its fine that he did so. Even if you get a lucky shot with these freight trains that can run 35MPH it will probably still kill you before it dies. NOT A SHILL FOR BUFFALO BORE, REMINGTON, HORNADY OR WINCHESTER, BLACK HILLS OR OTHERS BUT JUST LIKE THE WAY THEY HAVE ALWAYS HELPED ME SELECT THE PROPER ROUND FOR THE SITUATIONS I WOULD BE IN. The 44 magnum does deliver less energy on target than the other calibers in our comparison tables. WE HAVE WOLVES, MTN LIONS AND BEARS APLENTY AROUND MY ELK CAMP. Unless its dead calm, you better be sure you know what direction the wind is blowing. Why, oh why, wasnt that gun on someones hip? A JSP bullet at a velocity that will completely penetrate the chest of an average-size bear is probably a better choice than a hardcast SWC solid. Likely been in a group home since his folks could no longer care for him. Will a 44 Magnum stop a grizzly bear? Nelson continues to teach a bear defense course in Alaska, instructing geologists and representatives from other government agencies how to operate a wide variety of firearms platforms in a bear defense situation. TTAG has lots of writers who are smarter than him when it comes to the woods and guns. So be sure to keep an eye on the animal until it is definitely dead. .458 Winchester Magnum (500gr Hornady DGX at 2,140fps)(has 5083.36 ft lbs): 70.0 When one of us has an animal down, one guts, the other stays ready for a bear. It isnt pleasant but I can shoot the 44 Magnum one-handed and manage a reasonable follow-up shot. Did you ever even bother to check on last weeks bear attack in Florida after I said you were wrong? We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. Almost any rifle or handgun cartridge can stop even the largest grizzly provided the shot placement is correct. My state used to require a class and a license to buy pepper spray, and I lived there, so I took the class. 2. Like a man. I looked in the direction of Reed only to once again see the bear charging at me. Hunting grizz is much easier than defending against a charge but both my uncles stoped charges. Any snowflakes at all? This holster always lives on the outside of my outermost coat. And you actually said this:handguns are the best. Delivered energy at a given distance, usually measured in ft-lbs. I dont look for bear but if one came my way I am ready. Unlock the Benefits of Knowing Your Winchester Serial Number, Complete Buyers Guide to the Sig Sauer P228. .357 S&W MagnumWhile some folks claim the .44 Magnum is the minimum for charging bears, many others have opted for a Glock 20 in 10mm Auto and, interestingly enough, passed right by the .357 S&W Magnum. One of the more powerful handguns available today, the .454 is capable of pushing a 300-grain Buffalo Bore bullet at 1650 fps with 1,813 ft.-lbs. I compare the 10mm and the 44 magnum cartridges, weighing their strengths and weaknesses for the role of bear defense.Check out the new video where we use th. The bears run in and out of the visual field of the video camera. Your personal decision to sit on your ass too much. Remember that 44 mag ammo is not a magic bullet you still need to know how to use it effectively, Make yourself as big and loud as possible; shout and clap your hands, Try to scare the bear away by throwing objects at it or spraying it with pepper spray, If those things dont work, use your firearm to shoot the bear in the most vital areas: its head, chest or neck, The minimum caliber for black bear is .30-06 Springfield, A well placed shot from a .44 Magnum will penetrate both shoulders of a black bear with ease, When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope, Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. WHEN FURTHER A FIELD ALSO CARRY MARLIN SS 1895 LEVER WITH BUFFALO BORE RECOMMENDED ROUND IN 45-70. Smith & Wesson. DO NOT SEE THE MTN LIONS MUCH BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE AS SEE THE TRACKS AND A GLANCE OUT THE WINDOW ONCE IN A WHILE. I LIVE IN COLORADO BETWEEN CRAIG, CO AND BAGGS, WY. Hell, it wasnt even American. I saw a buckle with a strap running through it. The 44 magnum when compared with the other large-caliber bear defense cartridges is rather lightweight in the recoil department. I am skeptical. The Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan owned by a friend who regularly hunts in Montana is his bear defense weapon. And to the the post of a guy shot many times with a 9mm, you are correct sir. .73 ( 3 ) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1760 FPS (3008/ ft lbs): 81. That sentence wasnt even English. Make sure youre familiar with your firearm and its capabilities. Depends on what type of bear. I scanned the far shore to see if it was a nice one, maybe I would take it, I didnt see it, so I asked him where? A handgun is worn on your person, however, and is invaluable because it stays with you, whether youre answering natures call or stopping to field dress a game animal. The rest of the time it stays secure in its holster. They made it to a small hunting cabin but went to find some firewood outside and upon opening the door, the bear was going to come in! If you live and work in bear country, you know the importance of being prepared for that chance encounter with a bear who has malintent and you for a target. What is the title of Craig Boddingtons book? A female grizzly will do almost anything to protect her cubs. I DO GET THAT:) I think akgunner wrote a comment below the article which is more helpful than the article itself. Granted, the stopping power of any pistol is low, but the nonsense in your post about the .38 vs .45 makes everything else you say not credible. ON OCCASION DO ALSO CARRY MY 870 PUMP GUN IN 12 GA WITH RIFLED BARREL WITH SLUGS , SLUGS AND BUCKSHOT AND JUST BUCKSHOT WHEN MOSTLY THINK I MAY NEED TO COVER SNAKES, BEARS AND LIONS ALL IN SAME WANDERING. I do have one. The mot popular cartridge used against bears in terms of this compilation was the .44 Magnum, which is often cited by internet and forum warriors as the absolute smallest you should go in bear defense. The first was simply a test to see how far it would spray. For hiking and camping, I prefer a chest rig. But they dont press that fear button like bears, do they? Based on the .375 H&H, the .338 will send a 300-grain Barnes bullet out the barrel at 2500 fps with a devastating 4,100 ft.-lbs. Heard that from: a city weenie whos never met a bear. Now do what I did when I was wrong last week. Lessons learned . Wow. Remember that handguns are not as powerful as rifles and may not provide enough penetration on larger bears. The majority of my travel is either via ATV or Snowmachine, while not on foot. There are other handguns in larger calibers that deliver more energy on target. So, I asked about this. It is imperative that your bear defense gun is readily available, quick to deploy and that you can place a shot on target under extreme stress. Not at all. They almost never attack . And he said nothing about thinking through the 29 reportswhich were somebody elses work, not his and making sure he understood them all the way through. For me, the pros outweigh the cons enough to make a 44 magnum my choice of bear country pistols. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum - completely in the vein of Dirty Harry - still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. Go outside and smoke a cigarette or something. Then you have to get on target which is easier with a shorter, lighter gun. Im not criticizing him for that, but he didnt say it was his research. Zero. 1. And Im sick with the flu,so Im goofing off in this pathetic comments section. He said that handguns stop attacking bears almost 100% of the time. Caliber: .44 Magnum Barrel length: 4.125 inches Overall length: 9.6 inches Weight: 41.5 ounces Grips: synthetic Sights: front red ramp, rear adjustable white outline Action: double action Finish: polished stainless Capacity: 6 rounds Price: $949 Featured image: Doug Larson Discussion However, bigger is not always better in my opinion. Personally, multiple rounds at close range with 00 buck will rip your fucking eyeballs out, no matter what you are. You criticize Dean, he responds and asks you to provide a source for your criticism, and then you refuse, and do so in a self-righteous manner? So, people are mauled by bears. Alaskan moose hunters Doug White and Reed Thompson were working on packing out the meat and head from a successful hunt. My hope was that the shot would sting the bear and help scare him away along with the flame and loud report. As a wildcat cartridge, it hasnt seen the widespread use of other rounds on this list, but that hasnt stopped many guides and hunters, Nelson included, from converting Marlin lever guns for its very effective use. You have a bone to pick with Dean and your bias is showing thru. of energy, and it takes a big grizzly to weigh 1,000 pounds. .. Im kidding, of course! .454 Casull Developed by Dick Casull and Jack Fulmer in 1957, the .454 Casull is a dangerous game hunters dream come true. The first time a strong cross wind completely redirected the spray 90degrees to the side. Im certain this is the most butthurt Ive made anyone on this website since that crazed lefty threatened to sue me. SEEMED GOOD EDUCATION AS MADE IT HOME DUE TO FASTER DRAW AND ONLY 4 HOLES IN ME, MANY MORE IN TWO LEGGED BEARS WITH RED STAR BELT BUCKLES. The hunters violated the most basic safety rule when cleaning game to pack out. Sourced? The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. When I test sprayed it, there was the slightest cross wind. What matters more is the right bullet. .50 Alaskan Taking a .348 Winchester case and necking it out to accept a .510-inch, Alaskan Harold Johnson was able to successfully convert a Winchester Model 1886 rifle into a .50-caliber, bear-killing machine. No gun. Because of intense interest from his family and friends, Doug wrote a detailed account of the attack and the aftermath. And those rifleslike the Marlin 1894 or Ruger 77/44are lightweight, compact, and ideal for hound. I've killed big bear with one shot (usually .338 mag) but I was also in on a bear kill with my hunting partner when things didn't go well. I carry both, with bear spray on my left side and a .44 on my right, so IF the bear spray fails Im not completely f-ed. Less felt recoil means a delf defense pistol that many small frame shooters can handle. If youre ever faced with a bear attack, youll need to know how to defend yourself. The dog did nothing more than backup, sneeze, and trot away. It was used 12 times. I agree with what you say about the .38 in a large animal. Chuke tests 44 Mag and 10mm Underwood Extreme Penetrator on his actual Grizzly Bear Skull to dispel the urban myth that a bears skull will ward off these kin. Yes, a 44 Magnum is capable of killing a bear, although it is not recommended as a bear defense arms. Sorry, theres what you read and then theres real life. I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! The second and third time I used bear spray was against overly aggressive dogs. Im referring to the Trending now BS. All of your comments are irrelevant. Id like to see Boddingtons sources for hundreds of attacks. I stood in a dumbfounded stupor. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. A 240-grain +P Buffalo Bore projectile carries roughly 1,600 ft.-lbs. The Griz, as he is often called, is actually the North American Brown Bear. While a well-placed shot from a 10mm can no doubt do the trick, the .357 Mag. Such senseless killing. Because so many hunters got bowled over, mauled,and prevented from shooting straight when they tried to shoot from underneath a grizz with long-barreled handguns. Im pretty sure Ive seen you as a full-time, Soros-funded troll over at The Federalist. A good . People claim there are multiple instances where people with pistols failed to stop the attack and/or kill the bear. The black bear is the only animal in the continental U.S. that can provide the average hunter a reasonably accessible opportunity to hunt dangerous game - game with fangs and claws rather than horns and hooves. 2018 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice and link are included. Far more important, in my book, is the ability to draw and accurately fire your bear defense weapon in a very short period of time. The latest way appears to be an app called CamoSpace, designed specifically for members of the hunting community. Value. Holy shit you have some serious issues. here: Live survive love laugh and be happy, not screaming in terror before dying in pain, 7mm Remington Magnum (168gr Nosler AccuBond LR at 2,880fps): 19.6 of energy, while the 10mm has about 728 ft.-lbs., both with a 180-grain Buffalo Bore bullet. For animals, I always get concentrated-stream types. .378 Weatherby Magnum (300gr FMJ at 2,925fps)(4,263 ft lbs): 47.0 This is why Forest Rangers use a slug (.73 cal = 12GA) a poor mans elephant gun under 50 yards that rivals a .458 Win Mag. Like the Spartans xiphos blade, the handgun is a much shorter secondary weapon intended for up-close-and-personal encounters. Backpack straps and holstered guns dont get along well. Mossberg 500 vs 590: Which Shotgun Is Right for You? It was pretty much a niche round til Dirty Harry. There is no doubt in my mind that the .44 magnum cartridge is a viable choice as a bear defense gun. There was no time for the careful placement of the front sight, as the bear was nearly upon him. The pistol, from the picture and account, appears to be a Ruger stainless single action .44 magnum. Mag. These are all factors that need to be considered when choosing a caliber for a serious and serviceable bear defense firearm. I dont know if I would call it a design. That phrase is Youre fucked because the chances you survive such a situation are slim to none. He carries a .375 H&H mag. Honestly cant remember ever having an issue taking grizz with a 44 mag (Ruger super Blackhawk) . Your drugs. Make sure to practice with your chosen firearm beforehand, and always check local regulations when traveling in bear country. And they degrade over time, and must be replaced. I havent seen anyone advocate using a pistol as an offensive weapon for bears in this thread, or in the article, it is specifically about using a pistol as a defensive weapon on a charging bear. So, show us the instances that will change the percentages. Its the statement of a man who has experience, understanding, and appreciation. Now how many other domestic animals such as pets have been taken, is anyones guess. And if you go into the North Bush influenced by Weingarten, he just might get you killed. In this case, 44 magnum ammo tends to be much less expensive than the other large specialty calibers of ammunition suitable for bear defense. But while our hands were fresh we shot the revolver first. I am thinking I would allways have a friend with me to watch my back, if indeed I was to be in a situation of a bear encroachment. Its also been incredibly popular among Alaskan hunters and guides, especially in lever-actions like Marlins 1895 Guide Gun, which is compact, fairly lightweight and highly maneuverable in close quarters. The major reason is that they dont want to waste expensive ammo on the range. But energy doesn't kill animals, tissue damage kills them. Its similar to the one my cousin uses. They routinely feed on the gut piles of hunter-killed elk and, along with their cousins Alaska brown bears, are known to try to claim carcasses from hunters. Based on ballistic testing and field use, Nelson recommends Brennekes Black Magic Magnum or DDupleks Monolit 32 solid steel slug. Developed in 1976 by Ken Waters as a wildcat cartridge, the 7-30 Waters is based on the .30-30 Winchester necked down to 7mm to improve velocity and trajectory, with a significant drop off in felt recoil. I recommend training and study before using. The .45 Long Colt revolver (or just Colt) fired a larger diameter bullet, with greater weight, and a significantly higher velocity than the .38 Long Colt, or even todays .38 special standard loads. ======================================================================. What handgun can kill a grizzly bear? 44 Magnum ammo should do the trick though! But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life? Taylor Knock Out Factor. Otherwise, anyone thinking a handgun is good for bear defense should file off the front site and lubricated really well. A charging grizzly bear can reach speeds of 35 mph an hour for short distances and their acceleration rate is phenomenal. I have been asking for people to send in documented instances of people attempting to use pistols to defend against bears for over a year. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!! Compared to pretty much every other mammal, humans are easy to put out of action. It wasnt even language. Doug shot the bear and stopped the attack. Can a .44 Magnum L5 Desert Eagle stop a Bear attack? 7. Lets face it. Yes Im sure youve read 12,000 books on bear attacks and subscribe to bear attack monthly while you work out to bear attack shows. Considered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry.
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