huizi and zhuangzi about gourds

Qin, Xuqing , and Sun Yongchang , trans. Beijing : Zhonghua Shuju . Arthur C. Danto e l'ontologia dell'arte, Il Significato Eluso. Different disciplines have their different tools for doing so. Even though the lessons are in story form, that doesnt mean that they are easy to decipher. Albany: State University of New York Press. However, what he does not realize is that he cannot assume that his premises are right, that each point is itself necessarily true. 9One answer could be that sometimes the position that the philosopher wants to advance is easier to see in a contrived (even if rare or humanly impossible) situation than in an actual case. Paris: Les belles lettres. Zhuangzi, the Taoist philosopher, lived in. Zhuangzi himself has traditionally been taken as the author of some of the chapters, although his precise contribution is uncertain. Monica Link, Anecdotes and thought experiments in Zhuangzi and Western philosophy ,Rivista di estetica [Online], 72|2019, online dal 01 mars 2020, consultato il 02 mai 2023. This is a preview of subscription content, access via your institution. ______, trans. https://doi.org/10.1007/s11712-020-09765-6, https://www.academia.edu/35172330/Zhuangzis_Doctrine_of_No_Emotions_forthcoming_in_Dao_Companion_to_the_Philosophy_of_the_Zhuangzi_Kim_Chong_Chong_and_Kai_Yuan_Cheng_eds_final_draft, https://scholarworks.iu.edu/dspace/handle/2022/23427, http://www.terebess.hu/english/chuang.html. Qu Yuan was a versatile government official at that time, and he was highly Zhongguancun 59, Haidian District, Beijing, 100872, China, Hoger Instituut voor Wijsbegeerte, KU Leuven, Kardinaal Mercierplein 2, 3000, Leuven, Belgium, You can also search for this author in His epigrams and parables praised those who achieved mastery through constant practice of a skill, following their own inclinations, He scorned complicated explanations and theories. My back is hunched out. Or in Jacksons case, why couldnt he just have stated that there are things about our experience of color that cannot be learned through propositions in science? 3 0 obj Ma, Lin, and Jaap van Brakel. You lose it when its passed. Paris: Cathasia, 2e tirage. 2004. It only seems useless to you because you want to turn it into something else and dont know how to appreciate it for what it is. This article was supported by National Social Sciences Funding (Major Program) of China [Grant No. 1913/1983. Zhuangzi describes a man who is skilled at making balm to keep the hands from chapping (p. 7).4 His family never earns Early Confucian Perspectives on Emotions. In Dao Companion to Classical Confucian Philosophy, edited by Vincent Shen. The Zhuangzi () is named after Zhung Zhu (), who flourished in the later half of the fourth century bce. Cao, Chuji , trans. 2003. Napoli: Universit degli Studie di Napoli LOrientale.. First, we demonstrate that, while Huizi probably understands qing as something like feelings or emotions, Zhuangzis view is that having qing is connected with making shifei judgments whereas having no qing means that shifei has no grip on those ren, especially the shengren. WebZongzi ( Chinese: ) or simply zong (Cantonese Jyutping: zung2) is a traditional Chinese rice dish made of glutinous rice stuffed with different fillings and wrapped in bamboo What is he trying to do? Indianapolis: Hackett. Klein, Esther. Jackson has actually since changed his position on the thesis of physicalism and he no longer thinks its false. The question of what exactly Zhuangzis positive project might be is beyond the scope of this paper, but the point remains that the idea that we are even wondering about who Zhuangzi is as a philosopher, or how he would want us to analyze him in light of his stories, is something that we dont typically see when we turn to Western philosophers advancing certain thought experiments. One tool a philosopher can use is hypothetical scenarios. ______. Qing (Emotions) in Pre-Buddhist Chinese Thought. In Emotions in Asian Thought: A Dialogue in Comparative Philosophy, edited by Joel Marks and Roger T. Ames. A Didactic Annotation to the Zhuangzi . Shun, Kwong-loi. Wilhelm, Richard, trans. Zhuangzi helps us to reckon with the fact that we necessarily come to the world with a certain perspective there is no view from nowhere but we are invited through Zhuangzis stories to get out of that perspective and see that of others. Guo, Xiang , and Cheng Xuanying , annot. In fact, there is more value in destroying it than keeping it around. Now imagine we were discussing an idea, say, a potential solution to a problem. Mair, Victor H., trans. Ma, L., van Brakel, J. Revisiting the Exchange between Zhuangzi and Huizi on Qing. 2010. Daoism: Laozi and Zhuangzi. In World Philosophy, edited by Jay L. Garfield and William Edelglass. 2010. The difference is all in how the thing is used. Although these differences arguably make Zhuangzis anecdotes poor thought experiments, according to Western analytic standards, it seems that if the purpose of a fabricated story is to encourage the reader to broaden her philosophical outlook, to see something more clearly that she might not have seen in a more realistic case, or to provide a more memorable way to retain a point, then Zhuangzis stories are highly effective pedagogical tools. 1920. Thats what fish really enjoy!. Wang, Rongpei, trans. In The Sacred Books of the East, edited by F. Max Mller. Now had I used this for holding liquids, it would have been too heavy to lift; and had I cut it in half for ladles, the ladles would have been too flat for such purpose. Ren, Songyao. Now you had these gigantic gourds. The Complete Works of Chuang Tzu. 2000. In seeking the truth, philosophers have long used fiction and counterfactual scenarios to raise and answer questions, to foster dialogue or give a commentary on some facet of life. Feng, Youlan, trans. For example, Robert Nozick imagines a machine that can give a person whatever experiences she desires.16 While in this Experience Machine the person will really feel the pleasure of those experiences and will not know that its all just a simulation. 4 This admittedly is a different kind of similarity, one involving the similar effect of a thought experiment or story. Zhuangzi: The Inner Chapters. Anyone you share the following link with will be able to read this content: Sorry, a shareable link is not currently available for this article. If, in time, he turns my left arm into a rooster, Ill use it to crow the day. PubMedGoogle Scholar. Moreover, by elaborating on the implicit premises omitted by Zhuangzi and Huizi, the actual logical process of the debate can be restored, and the logical fallacy of clandestine change of argumentative issue are revealed. WebHuizi said to Zhuangzi, The king of Wei left me the seeds of a big gourd. Oxford: Oxford University Press. Commentary and Subcommentary on the Zhuangzi . Paris: ditions de lencyclopdie des nuisances. Zhuangzi; The Complete Writings, translated by Brook Ziporyn, Hackett Publishing Company Inc., 2020. If you dont loose yourself, things will bind you. 2012. In the latter case, the focus is on the idea or question raised, which, Ive suggested, is made patently obvious in a good thought experiment. Fraser, Chris. By utilizing modern logical analysis tools, this study reveals what and how the propositions and inferences contained in the language of the debate are articulated accurately and strictly. 2007. 2 0 obj Therefore, this paper mainly focuses on the logical aspects of the debate. Van Norden, B., Ivanhoe, P., 2005, Readings in Classical Chinese Philosophy, Indianapolis, Hackett Publishing Company. The goal is to figure out what to do in the actual case, which can shed light on what our prima facie duties are in other actual cases. Chinn, E., 1997, Zhuangzi and relativistic skepticism, Asian Philosophy, 7, 3: 207-220. Albany: SUNY Press. This kind of tree will resist wind and disease better than the more uniform trees of the plantation forest. Changsha: Hunan Renmin Chubanshe. Thomson, J., 1985, The Trolley Problem, Yale Law Journal, 94: 1395-1415. The Drunkards And The Tavern A Poem by Rumi, An illustrated ebook of Vigyan Bhairav Tantra translated by Lakshman Joo. The manual is thorough and accurate enough to cause Searle to produce answers that make a native Chinese speaker outside of the room think that Searle actually understands the questions being asked.17 The question is, does Searle understand the Chinese language the way a Chinese speaker does? Recommended articles lists articles that we recommend and is powered by our AI driven recommendation engine. Mair, Victor H., trans. Liu, Qingping. We could leave out the trolley and avoid questions about why it's a runaway trolley and why you can't shout to the people on the tracks (which, if it were a real case, would seem like very reasonable things to do). Zhuangzi. London: Bernard Quaeitch. Zhuangzi. The Complete Works of Chuang Tzu. I filled them with water but they werent sturdy enough to hold it. I planted them, and when they grew, the fruit was a yard across. 3Of course there is no way in one paper that I could hope to take into consideration the variety of contemporary Western thought experiments and compare them to even half of the fables we find in the Zhuangzi. https://www.academia.edu/35172330/Zhuangzis_Doctrine_of_No_Emotions_forthcoming_in_Dao_Companion_to_the_Philosophy_of_the_Zhuangzi_Kim_Chong_Chong_and_Kai_Yuan_Cheng_eds_final_draft (last accessed on October 12, 2020). Learn more about Institutional subscriptions. There is a question in the literature about whether Zhuangzi is more of a relativist or a skeptic15, and it is often hard to pin down what his own stance positive stance is, if he has one. Dao Cao, Chuji , trans. Ray Sorensen writes that analytic philosophers make heavy use of thought experiment because it is the natural test for the clarificatory practices constituting conceptual analysis: definition, question delegation, drawing distinctions, crafting adequacy conditions, teasing out entailments, advancing possibility proofs, mapping inference patterns (1992: 15). A New Commentary on the Zhuangzi [in modern Chinese] . First, we demonstrate that, while Huizi probably understands qing as something like feelings or emotions, Zhuangzis view is that having qing is connected with making shifei judgments whereas having no qing means that shifei has no grip on those ren, especially the shengren. His language did not hit his target the intent to make sense of things. This suggests that Zhuangzi saw Hui Shi as caught in a paradox. 13Zhuangzi is known for giving voice to many different creatures humans of all sorts and a host of animals as well. Machek, David. Instead, you worried that it was too wide to scoop into anything, which I guess means the mind of our greatly esteemed master here is still clogged up, occupied with its bushes and branches! (Zhuangzi 7-8). Perhaps Zhuangzi would affirm Master Chariot for being so free. Eifring, Halvor. PubMedGoogle Scholar. At other times, he presents a story and just leaves it more up to the reader to interpret. Beijing : Shangwu Yinshuguan . Once a conclusion has been reached, the presupposer in question rejects all evidence which contradicts his premises. Zhuang Zi and the Education of the Emotions. Comparative Philosophy 9.1: 3246. A New Examination of Evidence about the Zhuangzi. Toung Pao 96.4/5: 299369. Our text offers three additional examples: Nie Ques conversation with Wang Ni; Huizi and Zhuangzi about gourds; the story of Cook Ding (sometimes called Butcher Ding); and the story of Wheelwright Pian. I filled it with liquid, but it was not firm enough to lift. 10While no doubt many thought experiments do function in this way, Dancy is acutely aware that there is something very odd about the idea that we can learn important truths about the way we should behave from an examination of cases which are creatures of our imagination.11 He points out several reasons why we might worry about reasoning from an imaginary case to an actual case. Lynn, Richard John. Sometimes he offers a direct commentary on a certain character or view; other times he doesnt. Forthcoming. In this article we focus on the famous dialogue between Zhuangzi and Huizi concerning the question whether or not ren (in particular the shengren ) have qing . Chinese and Western philosophy in dialogue, Anecdotes and thought experiments in Zhuangzi and Western philosophy. The Ethics of Responding Properly: The Notion Qing in Early Chinese Thought. In Love and Emotions in Traditional Chinese Literature, edited by Halvor Eifring. This seems at odds with Zhuangzi as one of the two main Huizi took the utility of gourds as being their usefulness as containers or drinking vessels, and so concluded that the gourds in question being too large for this purpose had no utility; Zhuangzi pointed out that there is a perspective that Huizi had not considered -- utility not as a container but as a raft -- from which this is not so. First, we demonstrate that, while Huizi probably understands qing as something like feelings or emotions, Zhuangzis view is that having qing is connected I planted them, On Anger: An Essay on Confucian Moral Psychology. In Returning to Zhu Xi: Emerging Patterns within the Supreme Polarity, edited by David Jones and Jinli He. The Complete Work of the Zhuangzi . The Ethics of Responding Properly: The Notion Qing in Early Chinese Thought. In Love and Emotions in Traditional Chinese Literature, edited by Halvor Eifring. 8 Jackson has actually since changed his position on the thesis of physicalism and he no longer thinks its false. Les vres de Matre Tchouang. Even though the lessons are in story form, that doesnt mean that they are easy to decipher. Chong, Kim-chong. ______. 24Alternatively, perhaps Zhuangzi thinks Master Chariot is crazy, and he is inventing a character who seems accepting of such ridiculous things happening as a way of questioning the sanity of a mind that is so calm and unperturbedMaster Chariot then would be an example of how Daoist passivity can go too far. 2004. People want to make sense of him and offer a charitable interpretation where the various threads in his writing can be woven together so we can attribute a consistent view to Zhuangzi. He made fun of ritual, dogma, and pretentious moralizing. In both, finding the message of the work or the intention of its creator is not necessarily the purpose of the piece as much as is engaging with it and walking away with something even if that something is not an understanding of the actual work but rather a broadening of the mind, an interesting question, or a pleasurable experience. Nothing Can Overcome Heaven: The Notion of Spirit in the Zhuangzi. In Hiding the World in the World: Uneven Discourses on the Zhuangzi, edited by Scott Cook. Paris: ditions de lencyclopdie des nuisances. 20Zhuangzi here seems to be criticizing Huizi for not being creative enough, for being limited in his understanding of the varying uses something can have. Emotions and Genuineness in Chinese Native Thinking: A Response to Graham and Hansen ():. Journal of Beijing Youth Politics College 14.1: 4852. Master Sacrifice went to ask after him. Guiyang : Guizhou Renmin Chubanshe . Middendorf, Ulrike. In fact, in Zhuangzis case, the featured voices are often non-human. 2003. 3099067 Bryan Van Norden and Philip Ivanhoe write of Zhuangzi saying, rather than delivering a message, the Zhuangzi seems to go out of its way to defy understanding. 2016. This combined with Zhuangzis penchant for irony, the fact that Zhuangzi alludes to fictitious characters and texts, and even takes real figures like Confucius and attributes to the sage things we cant be sure Confucius actually said all of this can make it hard to know what exactly he thinks of the people and things he writes about. Chuangtse . 2014. 2000. Such a tree has grown to a ripe old age by adapting itself to its environment. The Happiness of Fish A Taoist Tale, Huizi said, Youre not a fish how do you know what fish enjoy?, Zhuangzi said, Youre not me, so how do you know I dont know what fish enjoy?, Huizi said, Im not you, so I certainly dont know what you know. ______. Such distractions can be left out of fabricated cases so that we can better focus on the relevant moral principles. This is a preview of subscription content, access via your institution. Bradenton, FL: BookLocker. It wasnt that they werent wonderfully big, but they were useless. On my reading, Zhuangzis Guo, Xiang , and Cheng Xuanying , annot. Morgan, Jeffrey. Wieger, Lon, trans. Zhuangzi is a master storyteller and he uses that talent to teach important moral and philosophical lessons. The Complete Work of the Zhuangzi . Beyond the Troubled Water of Shifei: From Disputation to Walking-Two-Roads in the Zhuangzi. The video below (Flight from the Shadow) is an example of the type of teaching he engaged in. New York: Columbia University Press. Liu, Qingping. 1994. 1891. Thats what it means to construct for oneself a fictional intellectual opponent with which to spar. 2011. Chai, David. Despeux, Catherine. Correspondence to Zhang, Gengguang , trans. 17With Zhuangzi, on the other hand, it is often not clear what exactly the point of a story is nor what position Zhuangzi himself might be criticizing or advancing. Napoli: Universit degli Studie di Napoli LOrientale.. Some of these purposes include helping us to: 1)better understand a concept by artificially constructing a scenario that makes certain features more salient 2) think about where we stand on a specific issue 3) consider alternative perspectives in a given situation and 4) see in what way a philosophers many thoughts could be made coherent or reasonable. 2004. In The Sacred Books of the East, edited by F. Max Mller. 18ZDA031]. But for the purposes of this paper, lets be charitable going forward and assume that there is some positive value in using thought experiments or made-up characters and stories as vehicles to raise questions or make a point. Wilhelm, Richard, trans. Fundamentals of Comparative and Intercultural Philosophy. Words are for meaning: when youve got the meaning, you can forget the words.26 Zhuangzis fantastical stories, along with the most beloved Western thought experiments, are devices that philosophers use to communicate a certain message, and in Zhuangzis case it might be a message that goes beyond words. Must? endobj Chuang-Tzu.
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